floyde
Sep 23, 01:41 PM
So your assertation is that since nature takes a long time to make changes on it's own, any changes we make much faster will be OK. That makes sense, insomuch as now i know that the anti-global-warming people just aren't applying any logic anymore.
My thoughts exaclty.
Sdashiki, when people talk about global warming, they usually don't refer to the phenomenon per se (which is a natural process that changes climate slowly over thousands of years), but to the part of it that is caused by human activities (which is a rapid change of climate due to the emission of greenhouse gases).
from a scientific (NOT environmentalist) point of view cant be proven
Well that's interesting, but "actual" scientists mostly agree that it is real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming):
The scientific opinion on climate change, as expressed by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and explicitly endorsed by the national science academies of the G8 nations, is that the average global temperature has risen 0.6 � 0.2 �C since the late 19th century, and that "most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities",
Anyway, what can't be easily proven is that these hurricanes are related to global warming, not that global warming is taking place.
My thoughts exaclty.
Sdashiki, when people talk about global warming, they usually don't refer to the phenomenon per se (which is a natural process that changes climate slowly over thousands of years), but to the part of it that is caused by human activities (which is a rapid change of climate due to the emission of greenhouse gases).
from a scientific (NOT environmentalist) point of view cant be proven
Well that's interesting, but "actual" scientists mostly agree that it is real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming):
The scientific opinion on climate change, as expressed by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and explicitly endorsed by the national science academies of the G8 nations, is that the average global temperature has risen 0.6 � 0.2 �C since the late 19th century, and that "most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities",
Anyway, what can't be easily proven is that these hurricanes are related to global warming, not that global warming is taking place.
rock6079
Aug 15, 05:19 PM
Yeah, Virgin Mobile does it, too.
r u kidding thats crazy. know of ne others that do ?
r u kidding thats crazy. know of ne others that do ?
zblaxberg
Apr 4, 08:04 AM
As I've posted in multiple other threads that are not outdated and ask the same question. Look into this page that reveals the compatible camera list for iMovie.
http://help.apple.com/imovie/cameras/en/index.html?lang=en_US
http://help.apple.com/imovie/cameras/en/index.html?lang=en_US
Soura2112
May 5, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE=4God;12520756]You mean NAB?
Lol that's what I ment... I'm a drummer so NAMM just came out accidentally.
Of course I don't expect any news from you guys, just a better video and highlights from Apple rather then the bloggers there (no offense to bloggers thanks for getting the info up).
I want it day 1 mainly to learn it as fast as possible and see how FCX 64bit works on my Mac Pro, since I have been limited to Adobe and handbreak at the moment. I understand why people will wait, let's hope there's not many bugs to fix.
I understand not wanting competitors to see the product. I don't need the whole write up just a bit more of what's to come. The release is so close and I'm sure adobe and avid saw plenty of FCX so a little teaser trailer would be cool. I'm just excited to see how this program will work, it should be interesting. Let's hope it rocks!
Lol that's what I ment... I'm a drummer so NAMM just came out accidentally.
Of course I don't expect any news from you guys, just a better video and highlights from Apple rather then the bloggers there (no offense to bloggers thanks for getting the info up).
I want it day 1 mainly to learn it as fast as possible and see how FCX 64bit works on my Mac Pro, since I have been limited to Adobe and handbreak at the moment. I understand why people will wait, let's hope there's not many bugs to fix.
I understand not wanting competitors to see the product. I don't need the whole write up just a bit more of what's to come. The release is so close and I'm sure adobe and avid saw plenty of FCX so a little teaser trailer would be cool. I'm just excited to see how this program will work, it should be interesting. Let's hope it rocks!
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shyam09
May 5, 12:36 AM
in december i managed to buy a booq taipan [i believe that's what it was called] and although it isn't the vyper i am def. pleased with the quality and durability. [its a sleeve btw]... i have to say booq products are no.1, very well made, and well worth the money. Booq Vyper to the MAXX!!!
CoachWade
May 4, 03:41 PM
Buying from gainsaver? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D612588&ei=77bBTa6yIafq0gHO7Ki3Cg&usg=AFQjCNEB3h6UNgw1H9qie983HvEUz3XMMg&sig2=obEZeDrL4wOfi3Wb9ELCfw)
Is GainSaver serious? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D733508&ei=77bBTa6yIafq0gHO7Ki3Cg&usg=AFQjCNFDwSKBWt0mP7bpLVMyKLMTNJ2VDQ&sig2=5S3DBWJ6iCeNDr4oscL2bQ)
Thanks GG. As I said, I should have researched Gainsaver more carefully here in this very forum prior to purchasing from them. Hopefully I can save someone else the elevated heartrate and sheer frustration of dealing with those clowns.
~D.
Is GainSaver serious? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D733508&ei=77bBTa6yIafq0gHO7Ki3Cg&usg=AFQjCNFDwSKBWt0mP7bpLVMyKLMTNJ2VDQ&sig2=5S3DBWJ6iCeNDr4oscL2bQ)
Thanks GG. As I said, I should have researched Gainsaver more carefully here in this very forum prior to purchasing from them. Hopefully I can save someone else the elevated heartrate and sheer frustration of dealing with those clowns.
~D.
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mkrishnan
Jan 1, 12:29 PM
I think Adam Iser and Evan Schoenberg and the rest of the Adium gang deserve some serious props here....outside of the apple aps, firefox, and MS Office, Adium is my most used piece.
bousozoku
Dec 6, 01:47 PM
While the 17 inch has enough room for such a beast, unless Apple have come up with new ways to cool their machines, and with their G5 experiments, they should have plenty ready, they won't be able to use something more interesting.
It would be nice to see a really amazing, slick machine with really high end portable graphics hardware but Apple will be conservative.
It would be nice to see a really amazing, slick machine with really high end portable graphics hardware but Apple will be conservative.
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ryannel2003
Jan 15, 09:29 PM
I had signed up a couple of days ago, and low and behold: I didn't receive a e-mail either. Oh well, I couldn't contain my excitement and went to the Apple website anyway! :D
mtnDewFTW
Apr 11, 05:55 PM
I think that incase make the best looking cases out of all companies. Check 'em out here (http://goincase.com)
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ReverendCharm
Mar 27, 09:37 PM
I never moved any system files and never would. The only things i put, or tried to put, on the external was 1 sample library for elektrik piano and the saved songs in my garageband folder. thats it.
I guess this drive is just either faulty or way too slow to meet my needs. I contacted the company about a refund/return ..we'll see
I guess this drive is just either faulty or way too slow to meet my needs. I contacted the company about a refund/return ..we'll see
taylorwilsdon
Mar 19, 12:41 PM
The ad is very misleading. The auction is over so there's nothing to change that. I'm very sure the seller must think it's new. No way a refurbished one sells for that much when a brand new one can be bought for less than that unlocked on Ebay from what I have seen.
No, it isn't. I was very clear as far as I'm concerned and I don't need a new member telling me how to do things. Like I said, I'm going to send a brand new in box phone, not a refurb.
The winning bidder was a hacked account - mother ****er.
No, it isn't. I was very clear as far as I'm concerned and I don't need a new member telling me how to do things. Like I said, I'm going to send a brand new in box phone, not a refurb.
The winning bidder was a hacked account - mother ****er.
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steviem
Apr 27, 07:18 AM
Is this going to be your first DSLR?
I think if you really want that lens and no other will do, see if your parents are able to stretch to the brand new kit.
But you're looking at a really capable body though, if it was me, I'd get it with a kit lens like the regular 18-55 and a copy of Aperture (if you have a Mac, I'm saying Aperture because you could probably keep those parts all down below �500).
The lenses should last you for decades as long as you keep them cared for and you don't need to have the exact lens you want straight off. You'll be able to save for a new lens or ask family if they could perhaps chip in for it later.
Also, just because you're getting Nikon, doesn't mean you have to be restricted to their lenses, you can get Tamron and Sigma lenses for good prices too.
I think if you really want that lens and no other will do, see if your parents are able to stretch to the brand new kit.
But you're looking at a really capable body though, if it was me, I'd get it with a kit lens like the regular 18-55 and a copy of Aperture (if you have a Mac, I'm saying Aperture because you could probably keep those parts all down below �500).
The lenses should last you for decades as long as you keep them cared for and you don't need to have the exact lens you want straight off. You'll be able to save for a new lens or ask family if they could perhaps chip in for it later.
Also, just because you're getting Nikon, doesn't mean you have to be restricted to their lenses, you can get Tamron and Sigma lenses for good prices too.
CoachWade
May 4, 03:26 PM
Good day, everyone;
I am a relative newcomer here to Macrumors. Although I've been a member here for a while, I rarely post. I think this might be my fifth post in four years or something like that, but this is pretty important so I thought I'd break radio silence.
Recently I went looking for a new computer. I started looking at Macbooks, but the price made me decide to move outward, and I discovered a website called "Gainsaver" that showed macs and my other favorite computer: the IBM thinkpad.
The full experience of what I went through with Gainsaver is documented here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F613je6aQqA .
This is a six minute video I posted on Youtube about Gainsaver's business tactics. In short, after sending me the incorrect computer and slamming a phone in my ear when I had the audacity to be offended by their complete disinterest in fixing a problem they caused with their own negligence, I had to endure Steve Harper, the Gainsaver sales manager/owner (Although he denies this) calling me a "pain in the ass" and a "charlie horse" and telling me "I'm going to leave you on hold until you decide to email me for customer service." He also hung up on me more than a dozen times. At one point I sarcastically said, "We seem to keep getting cut off," and he said, "No, I'm hanging up on you, _sshole." Of course, that was punctuated with a click and a dial tone.
Going beyond even THAT customer abuse, Harper searched me out on the internet (my web site is in my email signature) and discovered I am a football coach and teacher. In a burst of RANK INSANITY this man then searched further and found the contact information for my school. He then called my employer about a private transaction that had nothing to do with them in any way. (Harper was reported to the Durham police for harassment for that stunt.)
Looking further, Gainsaver claims an A+ rating from the Better Business Bureau, but they have 294 complaints over the last three years-- that's a complaint every four days, by the way. The Better Business Bureau informs me that Gainsaver is currently under investigation for the number of complaints they are racking up. The reason the score is so high is because Harper knows how to work the system: only UNANSWERED complaints lower the score. Any time a customer complains, Harper can respond with "Gainsaver is looking into this" and the automated system registers this as a zero out for the complaint; the rating stays at an undeserved "A+".
When Harper sees this post, he or one of his employees will respond claiming I called him and harassed him (I think a customer spending $560 has a legitimate right to call a business on the phone.) and that he has reported me for harassment to the Long Beach Police. (They have no record of the call or a complaint.) The insanity is that I kept calling because Harper and his people kept hanging up on me-- had they acted in any way to competently fix the problem I certainly wouldn't be here now writing this.
He will claim my account is in collections (Gainsaver threatens collections immediately after a chargeback is received from a credit card company. And by the way, California law prevents sending a customer to collections until their account is more than 90 days in arrears). Harper uses this scare tactic more or less any time an aggravated customer disputes a credit card charge.
Harper will claim I "called all the sales people at Gainsaver telling them to f__k off." (That's seriously what he wrote on the answer to complaint form he sent to the Attorney General's Office.) What actually happened is that after his employee hung up on me the second time, I called in a third time and said, "F you if you won't help me. You're getting the entire computer back." Dropping one f-bomb after you've been hung up on by a customer service 'professional' because you asked for an RMA number is hardly the profanity-laced diatribe Harper wants you to THINK I accosted him with. (Harper's claims don't explain where calling a customer a "pain in the ass" and a "charlie horse" fall on the profanity chart.)
Harper will ALSO claim "recordings are on file." This is true. After he called my principal, I called him back to tell him if he called my place of business again I would file a harassment complaint. He replied, "Oh I want to record this! Say that again!" So I did. In other words, the ONLY recording this maniac has of me is an admonishment not to ever harass me at work over a private transaction again.
Currently, Gainsaver does not appear to be licensed by Apple to sell or refurbish Apple products. I'm still waiting for a call back from Apple on that subject.
Here's the bottom line: protect yourselves, folks. You don't have to take my word for what happened with Gainsaver. (I tell my students, "Don't trust NOBODY! Not even me.") Please make your own opinions after doing some necessary research.
Please take the time to view my video about my experience with Gainsaver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F613je6aQqA . I would be very appreciative if you would comment, and link to it/like it on Facebook and Myspace as well, if you have accounts with those services. (As an educator, I do not.)
Even if you don't bother with my video, and you don't have the time to read the reviews of Gainsaver here at the LA county BBB website http://www.trustlink.org/Reviews/Gain-Saver-205952320 , (the reviews paint a MUCH different story than the rating score), please protect yourself by deeply investigating every company you do business with on the web. I should have looked beyond the rating myself, and now I'm busily documenting Gainsaver to my credit card company instead of enjoying the computer I purchased through another vendor.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me at coach_wadeAThotmailDOTcom . Anyone who has been ripped off by Gainsaver and needs help building a case to get your money back from your credit card company or to bring to the Attorney General, please contact me as well. I have 54 pages of documentation about this company and their fraudulent tactics I can supply to you to support your case.
Best wishes, everyone.
~D.
I am a relative newcomer here to Macrumors. Although I've been a member here for a while, I rarely post. I think this might be my fifth post in four years or something like that, but this is pretty important so I thought I'd break radio silence.
Recently I went looking for a new computer. I started looking at Macbooks, but the price made me decide to move outward, and I discovered a website called "Gainsaver" that showed macs and my other favorite computer: the IBM thinkpad.
The full experience of what I went through with Gainsaver is documented here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F613je6aQqA .
This is a six minute video I posted on Youtube about Gainsaver's business tactics. In short, after sending me the incorrect computer and slamming a phone in my ear when I had the audacity to be offended by their complete disinterest in fixing a problem they caused with their own negligence, I had to endure Steve Harper, the Gainsaver sales manager/owner (Although he denies this) calling me a "pain in the ass" and a "charlie horse" and telling me "I'm going to leave you on hold until you decide to email me for customer service." He also hung up on me more than a dozen times. At one point I sarcastically said, "We seem to keep getting cut off," and he said, "No, I'm hanging up on you, _sshole." Of course, that was punctuated with a click and a dial tone.
Going beyond even THAT customer abuse, Harper searched me out on the internet (my web site is in my email signature) and discovered I am a football coach and teacher. In a burst of RANK INSANITY this man then searched further and found the contact information for my school. He then called my employer about a private transaction that had nothing to do with them in any way. (Harper was reported to the Durham police for harassment for that stunt.)
Looking further, Gainsaver claims an A+ rating from the Better Business Bureau, but they have 294 complaints over the last three years-- that's a complaint every four days, by the way. The Better Business Bureau informs me that Gainsaver is currently under investigation for the number of complaints they are racking up. The reason the score is so high is because Harper knows how to work the system: only UNANSWERED complaints lower the score. Any time a customer complains, Harper can respond with "Gainsaver is looking into this" and the automated system registers this as a zero out for the complaint; the rating stays at an undeserved "A+".
When Harper sees this post, he or one of his employees will respond claiming I called him and harassed him (I think a customer spending $560 has a legitimate right to call a business on the phone.) and that he has reported me for harassment to the Long Beach Police. (They have no record of the call or a complaint.) The insanity is that I kept calling because Harper and his people kept hanging up on me-- had they acted in any way to competently fix the problem I certainly wouldn't be here now writing this.
He will claim my account is in collections (Gainsaver threatens collections immediately after a chargeback is received from a credit card company. And by the way, California law prevents sending a customer to collections until their account is more than 90 days in arrears). Harper uses this scare tactic more or less any time an aggravated customer disputes a credit card charge.
Harper will claim I "called all the sales people at Gainsaver telling them to f__k off." (That's seriously what he wrote on the answer to complaint form he sent to the Attorney General's Office.) What actually happened is that after his employee hung up on me the second time, I called in a third time and said, "F you if you won't help me. You're getting the entire computer back." Dropping one f-bomb after you've been hung up on by a customer service 'professional' because you asked for an RMA number is hardly the profanity-laced diatribe Harper wants you to THINK I accosted him with. (Harper's claims don't explain where calling a customer a "pain in the ass" and a "charlie horse" fall on the profanity chart.)
Harper will ALSO claim "recordings are on file." This is true. After he called my principal, I called him back to tell him if he called my place of business again I would file a harassment complaint. He replied, "Oh I want to record this! Say that again!" So I did. In other words, the ONLY recording this maniac has of me is an admonishment not to ever harass me at work over a private transaction again.
Currently, Gainsaver does not appear to be licensed by Apple to sell or refurbish Apple products. I'm still waiting for a call back from Apple on that subject.
Here's the bottom line: protect yourselves, folks. You don't have to take my word for what happened with Gainsaver. (I tell my students, "Don't trust NOBODY! Not even me.") Please make your own opinions after doing some necessary research.
Please take the time to view my video about my experience with Gainsaver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F613je6aQqA . I would be very appreciative if you would comment, and link to it/like it on Facebook and Myspace as well, if you have accounts with those services. (As an educator, I do not.)
Even if you don't bother with my video, and you don't have the time to read the reviews of Gainsaver here at the LA county BBB website http://www.trustlink.org/Reviews/Gain-Saver-205952320 , (the reviews paint a MUCH different story than the rating score), please protect yourself by deeply investigating every company you do business with on the web. I should have looked beyond the rating myself, and now I'm busily documenting Gainsaver to my credit card company instead of enjoying the computer I purchased through another vendor.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me at coach_wadeAThotmailDOTcom . Anyone who has been ripped off by Gainsaver and needs help building a case to get your money back from your credit card company or to bring to the Attorney General, please contact me as well. I have 54 pages of documentation about this company and their fraudulent tactics I can supply to you to support your case.
Best wishes, everyone.
~D.
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SAIRUS
Apr 8, 08:40 PM
I love mine!
Yeah it's thick, but seriously, I can throw my iPhone 4 and your glasses will crack, not my phone's.
Check out some videos on youtube, saw some people drop weights on the thing. When I bought mine, the lady had her phone in it and threw it to the ground (I shrieked like a lil girl) and low and behold, the phone was fine.
Oh and you can use the clip for a stand as well.
Yeah it's thick, but seriously, I can throw my iPhone 4 and your glasses will crack, not my phone's.
Check out some videos on youtube, saw some people drop weights on the thing. When I bought mine, the lady had her phone in it and threw it to the ground (I shrieked like a lil girl) and low and behold, the phone was fine.
Oh and you can use the clip for a stand as well.
Renderz
Mar 10, 10:25 AM
I'm using a combo of D3 and 5D Mark2. I get strange looks at weddings.
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macingman
Apr 12, 09:16 AM
Just an update. I received my Otterbox Defender in the mail this morning and I love it. I am so confident in the case that when showing it of to a friend, I purposefully slammed it against a marble floor from a 6 feet height and I picked it up and there was not a single scratch on the case.
I have big hands so the naked iPhone 4 is to small for me but the otterbox defender makes the phone just the right size for my hands to fit around, so that is a major plus for me.
I think I'm going to be using this case for a while, probably until I upgrade phones.
I have big hands so the naked iPhone 4 is to small for me but the otterbox defender makes the phone just the right size for my hands to fit around, so that is a major plus for me.
I think I'm going to be using this case for a while, probably until I upgrade phones.
Doozy
Nov 4, 02:36 PM
Your requirements are not very demanding and I think you can accomplish all you need including your hi-rez images by buying some webspace from a host that offers "Fantastico". Fantastico is a open source auto-installer which will alow you to install a gallery, a blog, and much more.
MoodyMedStudent
Apr 9, 03:27 PM
Rockport
Banana Republic
J-Fold
Welch Allyn
Lululemon
Calvin Klein
Oris
Banana Republic
J-Fold
Welch Allyn
Lululemon
Calvin Klein
Oris
Cabbit
Apr 18, 03:37 PM
Its a nice shot but i don't really get a sense of scale, i don't get the feeling for how big the mountain is.
ChrisA
Mar 15, 12:17 PM
...
So-getting back to my question...
So-getting back to my question...
garzy
Apr 26, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by bfj
... I stopped by WalMart, and bought one of the 499 HP bundles...
... I stopped by WalMart, and bought one of the 499 HP bundles...
wolrabn
May 1, 02:21 AM
Hi guys,
wondered if someone can help at all. Have searched the net quite extensively with this one - I'm now under the assumption the logic board will need replacing unless anyone can tell me otherwise?
I'll list as much info as I can if you need anything else let me know.
Got an iPhone 3g from a friend that only powers in DFU mode when connected to the mac/pc.
Blank screen permanently on.
All restores return error code 6.
2 different usb cables tried, tested on OSX 10.6.7, windows 7 + sp1 and xp sp3 (xp is virtual).
I do not know what version firmware was previously on it.
I have tried to restore official 2.0.1, 2.1, 3.1.2, 3.1.3, 4.1, 4.2
I have tried custom firmware on 3.1.3, 2.1, 4.1
I have attempted jailbreak with redsn0w, pwnagetool, ziphone
redsn0w seems to work then instead of booting to springboard the iphone just reverts back into dfu.
I have checked the logs of these restores and noticed this:
Error setting variable - 'boot-args': (iokit/common) general error
error setting 'boot-args' to '': 1
to which a little googling led me to a possibility with logic board.
I have tried using iRecovery but to be honest unsure where to go with it i also tried TinyUmberella which attempted to fix recovery and the phone didnt reboot. just stayed in dfu.
Although this is in DFU i have kept making a point of making sure i manually place it into DFU when attempting restores just to make sure its not in recovery mode (though i doubt it ever has been as it has never shown the 'connect to itunes' message- just always a blank screen unless recovering.
Recovery for all firmware seems to get 99% of the way before showing error 6.
Does anyone know a way of fixing this issue or do I give up and sell for spares/repair?
Thanks
wondered if someone can help at all. Have searched the net quite extensively with this one - I'm now under the assumption the logic board will need replacing unless anyone can tell me otherwise?
I'll list as much info as I can if you need anything else let me know.
Got an iPhone 3g from a friend that only powers in DFU mode when connected to the mac/pc.
Blank screen permanently on.
All restores return error code 6.
2 different usb cables tried, tested on OSX 10.6.7, windows 7 + sp1 and xp sp3 (xp is virtual).
I do not know what version firmware was previously on it.
I have tried to restore official 2.0.1, 2.1, 3.1.2, 3.1.3, 4.1, 4.2
I have tried custom firmware on 3.1.3, 2.1, 4.1
I have attempted jailbreak with redsn0w, pwnagetool, ziphone
redsn0w seems to work then instead of booting to springboard the iphone just reverts back into dfu.
I have checked the logs of these restores and noticed this:
Error setting variable - 'boot-args': (iokit/common) general error
error setting 'boot-args' to '': 1
to which a little googling led me to a possibility with logic board.
I have tried using iRecovery but to be honest unsure where to go with it i also tried TinyUmberella which attempted to fix recovery and the phone didnt reboot. just stayed in dfu.
Although this is in DFU i have kept making a point of making sure i manually place it into DFU when attempting restores just to make sure its not in recovery mode (though i doubt it ever has been as it has never shown the 'connect to itunes' message- just always a blank screen unless recovering.
Recovery for all firmware seems to get 99% of the way before showing error 6.
Does anyone know a way of fixing this issue or do I give up and sell for spares/repair?
Thanks
iQuit
Sep 29, 01:01 AM
What do you mean? Noone actually knows when new products will be released but we can often suspect certain things, about what system are you talking about? Also, the refurb store has some pretty good deals and it won't be a waste of money imo to buy something from the refurb store.
I have changed my mind sooo many times now about what to buy. But I see they are selling some good stuff on the Apple refurb store. If I don't buy right now, when will new products make it back on Apple's page? Thanks
I have changed my mind sooo many times now about what to buy. But I see they are selling some good stuff on the Apple refurb store. If I don't buy right now, when will new products make it back on Apple's page? Thanks
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